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	<title>Comments on: NASA: Your guess is as good as ours</title>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2007/05/20/nasa-your-guess-is-as-good-as-ours/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I have noticed that also, and if they even hint at climate effects they usually seem to quickly move on with a cover statement about CO2 warming being the main climate player - one could speculate that many of them are really taking great care to avoid rocking the &#039;consensus&#039; boat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I have noticed that also, and if they even hint at climate effects they usually seem to quickly move on with a cover statement about CO2 warming being the main climate player &#8211; one could speculate that many of them are really taking great care to avoid rocking the &#8216;consensus&#8217; boat.</p>
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		<title>By: John A</title>
		<link>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2007/05/20/nasa-your-guess-is-as-good-as-ours/comment-page-1/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>John A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 07:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what&#039;s interesting to me? In practically all of the papers on solar science that I&#039;ve seen (and I&#039;m about to post on one that is an exception), solar scientists appear to avoid any mention of future effects on the Earth&#039;s climate as a consequence of their predictions being accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what&#8217;s interesting to me? In practically all of the papers on solar science that I&#8217;ve seen (and I&#8217;m about to post on one that is an exception), solar scientists appear to avoid any mention of future effects on the Earth&#8217;s climate as a consequence of their predictions being accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2007/05/20/nasa-your-guess-is-as-good-as-ours/comment-page-1/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John A, you may be interested in this mainstream paper on cycle 24:

Predicting Solar Cycle 24 and beyond
http://members.chello.be/j.janssens/SC24Clilverd.pdf

Abstract:
&quot;We use a model for sunspot number using low-frequency solar oscillations, with periods 22, 53, 88, 106,
213, and 420 years modulating the 11-year Schwabe cycle, to predict the peak sunspot number of cycle 24
and for future cycles, including the period around 2100 A.D. We extend the earlier work of Damon and
Jirikowic (1992) by adding a further long-period component of 420 years. Typically, the standard deviation
between the model and the peak sunspot number in each solar cycle from 1750 to 1970 is Â±34. The
peak sunspot prediction for cycles 21, 22, and 23 agree with the observed sunspot activity levels within the
error estimate. Our peak sunspot prediction for cycle 24 is significantly smaller than cycle 23, with peak
sunspot numbers predicted to be 42 Â± 34. These predictions suggest that a period of quiet solar activity
is expected, lasting until  2030, with less disruption to satellite orbits, satellite lifetimes, and power
distribution grids and lower risk of spacecraft failures and radiation dose to astronauts. Our model also
predicts a recovery during the middle of the century to more typical solar activity cycles with peak sunspot
numbers around 120. Eventually, the superposition of the minimum phase of the 105- and 420-year cycles
just after 2100 leads to another period of significantly quieter solar conditions. This lends some support
to the prediction of low solar activity in 2100 made by Clilverd et al. (2003).&quot;

This is consistant with the material of Dr Landscheidt I am exploring on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John A, you may be interested in this mainstream paper on cycle 24:</p>
<p>Predicting Solar Cycle 24 and beyond<br />
<a href="http://members.chello.be/j.janssens/SC24Clilverd.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://members.chello.be/j.janssens/SC24Clilverd.pdf</a></p>
<p>Abstract:<br />
&#8220;We use a model for sunspot number using low-frequency solar oscillations, with periods 22, 53, 88, 106,<br />
213, and 420 years modulating the 11-year Schwabe cycle, to predict the peak sunspot number of cycle 24<br />
and for future cycles, including the period around 2100 A.D. We extend the earlier work of Damon and<br />
Jirikowic (1992) by adding a further long-period component of 420 years. Typically, the standard deviation<br />
between the model and the peak sunspot number in each solar cycle from 1750 to 1970 is Â±34. The<br />
peak sunspot prediction for cycles 21, 22, and 23 agree with the observed sunspot activity levels within the<br />
error estimate. Our peak sunspot prediction for cycle 24 is significantly smaller than cycle 23, with peak<br />
sunspot numbers predicted to be 42 Â± 34. These predictions suggest that a period of quiet solar activity<br />
is expected, lasting until  2030, with less disruption to satellite orbits, satellite lifetimes, and power<br />
distribution grids and lower risk of spacecraft failures and radiation dose to astronauts. Our model also<br />
predicts a recovery during the middle of the century to more typical solar activity cycles with peak sunspot<br />
numbers around 120. Eventually, the superposition of the minimum phase of the 105- and 420-year cycles<br />
just after 2100 leads to another period of significantly quieter solar conditions. This lends some support<br />
to the prediction of low solar activity in 2100 made by Clilverd et al. (2003).&#8221;</p>
<p>This is consistant with the material of Dr Landscheidt I am exploring on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2007/05/20/nasa-your-guess-is-as-good-as-ours/comment-page-1/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John.

You may be interested in another cycle 24 prediction made in 1999 I&#039;ve written about here:
http://landscheidt.auditblogs.com/archives/17

Thanks for allowing us to set up blogs here!

I thought long and hard for quite a while before setting up a blog, however as your blog appears to be focussed on mainstream astrophysics, I decided a new blog was appropriate for the stuff I intend to do rather than trying to &#039;hijack&#039; yours to post the kind of solar material I will be working on, as some of it will be a bit &#039;left field&#039;, especially when I get into examining the torque effects of specific planetary cycles (e.g. Jupiter, Venus, Earth) on the Sun in the near future, something  many in the mainstream may consider as sailing a bit close to &#039;astrology&#039;.

Of course, I do not intend to cross over into any popular conception of &#039;astrology&#039; as such, but instead to use a physical cycles based approach see if I can tease out some of the fascinating stuff hidden in the motions of the Sun and planets, and the cycles of transference of angular momentum between them.

Carl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John.</p>
<p>You may be interested in another cycle 24 prediction made in 1999 I&#8217;ve written about here:<br />
<a href="http://landscheidt.auditblogs.com/archives/17" rel="nofollow">http://landscheidt.auditblogs.com/archives/17</a></p>
<p>Thanks for allowing us to set up blogs here!</p>
<p>I thought long and hard for quite a while before setting up a blog, however as your blog appears to be focussed on mainstream astrophysics, I decided a new blog was appropriate for the stuff I intend to do rather than trying to &#8216;hijack&#8217; yours to post the kind of solar material I will be working on, as some of it will be a bit &#8216;left field&#8217;, especially when I get into examining the torque effects of specific planetary cycles (e.g. Jupiter, Venus, Earth) on the Sun in the near future, something  many in the mainstream may consider as sailing a bit close to &#8216;astrology&#8217;.</p>
<p>Of course, I do not intend to cross over into any popular conception of &#8216;astrology&#8217; as such, but instead to use a physical cycles based approach see if I can tease out some of the fascinating stuff hidden in the motions of the Sun and planets, and the cycles of transference of angular momentum between them.</p>
<p>Carl.</p>
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