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	<title>Comments on: Popular Mechanics on the Solar Minimum</title>
	<link>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/</link>
	<description>A blog of solar physics</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lee rodgers</title>
		<link>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/#comment-1552</link>
		<dc:creator>lee rodgers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Popular Mech. article said, "..for anyone hoping that a solar downswing might bail us out of our current dilemma: Solar influence on climate is slight compared to the impact of man-made greenhouse gases, a National Academy of Sciences report concluded in 1995." 

Well under normal circumstances, yes, that'd be true for a single solar cycle. 

But that's not the problem, we're looking at an extended run of FIVE long-frequency, low-amplitude solar cycles, and NASA found in a 2001 study that such a "grand minimum" will commence a real miniature ice age. 

The reason is the severity of continental winters aren't softened by oceanic moist warm air currents borne by strong solar-driven winds. Successive low-amplitude solar cycles yield more globe-cooling La Ninas &#38; more cloud cover. 

see: http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/shindell_06/ 

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20011206/ 

Better yet, data from mud &#38; ice core samples show that these bi- &#38; tri-centennial slumps in solar activity cause significant declines in ocean and plant productivity (see also: Tim Patterson's mud core &#38; Don Easterbrook's ice core studies that show high correlations with solar cycles, both 11-year and grand minima) 

Current supporting data for an early onset of a solar grand minimum: 

Sunspot motion speed lowest in centuries, portent of very weak SC 25. 
http://www.physorg.com/news66581392.html 

Cumulative spotless days accumulating faster than 19th century intercycle transits: 
http://i31.tinypic.com/2emjrqa.jpg

There is of course other data, but these are two of the more forward-looking trend analyses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Popular Mech. article said, &#8220;..for anyone hoping that a solar downswing might bail us out of our current dilemma: Solar influence on climate is slight compared to the impact of man-made greenhouse gases, a National Academy of Sciences report concluded in 1995.&#8221; </p>
<p>Well under normal circumstances, yes, that&#8217;d be true for a single solar cycle. </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not the problem, we&#8217;re looking at an extended run of FIVE long-frequency, low-amplitude solar cycles, and NASA found in a 2001 study that such a &#8220;grand minimum&#8221; will commence a real miniature ice age. </p>
<p>The reason is the severity of continental winters aren&#8217;t softened by oceanic moist warm air currents borne by strong solar-driven winds. Successive low-amplitude solar cycles yield more globe-cooling La Ninas &amp; more cloud cover. </p>
<p>see: <a href="http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/shindell_06/" rel="nofollow">http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/shindell_06/</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20011206/" rel="nofollow">http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20011206/</a> </p>
<p>Better yet, data from mud &amp; ice core samples show that these bi- &amp; tri-centennial slumps in solar activity cause significant declines in ocean and plant productivity (see also: Tim Patterson&#8217;s mud core &amp; Don Easterbrook&#8217;s ice core studies that show high correlations with solar cycles, both 11-year and grand minima) </p>
<p>Current supporting data for an early onset of a solar grand minimum: </p>
<p>Sunspot motion speed lowest in centuries, portent of very weak SC 25.<br />
<a href="http://www.physorg.com/news66581392.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.physorg.com/news66581392.html</a> </p>
<p>Cumulative spotless days accumulating faster than 19th century intercycle transits:<br />
<a href="http://i31.tinypic.com/2emjrqa.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i31.tinypic.com/2emjrqa.jpg</a></p>
<p>There is of course other data, but these are two of the more forward-looking trend analyses.</p>
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		<title>By: Otter</title>
		<link>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/#comment-723</link>
		<dc:creator>Otter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/#comment-723</guid>
		<description>'Five hundred years ago, they knew it was flat.'

500 years ago, Columbus KNEW it was Round- it was the diameter of the globe they got wrong. Even though the diameter had been figured fairly close almost 2000 years earlier, by the Greeks.

I am NOT looking forward to -40 weather in Southern Ontario- in October.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Five hundred years ago, they knew it was flat.&#8217;</p>
<p>500 years ago, Columbus KNEW it was Round- it was the diameter of the globe they got wrong. Even though the diameter had been figured fairly close almost 2000 years earlier, by the Greeks.</p>
<p>I am NOT looking forward to -40 weather in Southern Ontario- in October.</p>
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		<title>By: The Apocalypse Times</title>
		<link>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>The Apocalypse Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/#comment-567</guid>
		<description>We're waiting for sunspots...where are they?  

&lt;a href="http://www.theapocalypsetimes.com/bloggin/2008/02/ice-age.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;
What are&lt;/a&gt; the chances of an Ice Age?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re waiting for sunspots&#8230;where are they?  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theapocalypsetimes.com/bloggin/2008/02/ice-age.html" rel="nofollow"><br />
What are</a> the chances of an Ice Age?</p>
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		<title>By: dscott</title>
		<link>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>dscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/#comment-452</guid>
		<description>We are discovering new relationships all the time, who knows what we don't know?


			KAY
	Not as many as you'd think. Humans, for the	most part, don't have a clue. Don't want one, either. They're happy. They think they've got a pretty good bead on things.

			EDWARDS
	Why the big secret? People are smart, they can handle it.

			KAY
	A person is smart. People are dumb. Everything they've ever "known" has been proven to be wrong. A thousand years ago everybody knew as a fact, that the earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, they knew it was flat.
	Fifteen minutes ago, you knew we humans were alone on it. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.

http://sfy.ru/sfy.html?script=men_in_black</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are discovering new relationships all the time, who knows what we don&#8217;t know?</p>
<p>			KAY<br />
	Not as many as you&#8217;d think. Humans, for the	most part, don&#8217;t have a clue. Don&#8217;t want one, either. They&#8217;re happy. They think they&#8217;ve got a pretty good bead on things.</p>
<p>			EDWARDS<br />
	Why the big secret? People are smart, they can handle it.</p>
<p>			KAY<br />
	A person is smart. People are dumb. Everything they&#8217;ve ever &#8220;known&#8221; has been proven to be wrong. A thousand years ago everybody knew as a fact, that the earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, they knew it was flat.<br />
	Fifteen minutes ago, you knew we humans were alone on it. Imagine what you&#8217;ll know tomorrow.</p>
<p><a href="http://sfy.ru/sfy.html?script=men_in_black" rel="nofollow">http://sfy.ru/sfy.html?script=men_in_black</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/#comment-446</guid>
		<description>yes, i've heard too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, i&#8217;ve heard too</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/#comment-445</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Gulrud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://solarscience.auditblogs.com/2008/02/07/popular-mechanics-on-the-solar-minimum/#comment-445</guid>
		<description>The article implicitly accounts 'increased volcanism' as an independent cause, with respect to diminished insolation, of global cooling.  I don't have a paper to cite, but have heard noises that minima in the solar and terrestrial magnetic fields are somewhat positively correlated with increased volcanism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article implicitly accounts &#8216;increased volcanism&#8217; as an independent cause, with respect to diminished insolation, of global cooling.  I don&#8217;t have a paper to cite, but have heard noises that minima in the solar and terrestrial magnetic fields are somewhat positively correlated with increased volcanism.</p>
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